Let me start by telling you that there are some goodies in here. I got a lot of this from an online forum, but I added a considerable amount from my own experiences. I am passionate about brake performance, and if you are not also passionate about it, please don't read this. I am very opinionated, and I have developed a lot of frustration over the years dealing with some of these maintenance issues(especially those that involve fixing what someone else did wrong)...I hope what I have learned helps you. I start out with several assumptions (for example, I assume you are using standard cable housing). Some of these tips may not apply to you if you are using special gear...but if you are using special gear, you already know what does not apply to you in here...
Hopefully after you read and understand this, you will have brakes that function in a manner that shows why many prefer mechanical disc brakes over hydraulic.
- Start with clean or new pads. Clean the rotors with alcohol and never touch with skin.
- Rotors must be true to within .005" on a dial caliper or damn close to it.
- You must have avid speed dial levers for this to work. Shimanos with inner adjusters are close but will never do the job as well.
- Use locktite on all older caliper and rotor mount bolts, preferably blue 242. This product is in your tool kit right? Any self respecting bike mechanic has this stuff laying around…right next to your torque wrench, and lube.
- Loosen caliper adapter bolts slightly and rotate up in the direction of rotors rotation and tighten. You have your torque wrench and know how to use it right?
- Loosen caliper mount bolts slightly so caliper can move side to side.
- Back out red pad adjusters fully.
- Turn inner pad adjuster in fully then back out 10 indexed clicks. If your brakes are all crapped up and you can not feel the clicks, you need to first clean everything with soap and water and start over.
- Turn outer pad adjuster in till it bottoms out on rotor. Do not force this step. Rotor should not move in caliper at this time but caliper may move slightly on its adapter.
- Tighten caliper mount bolts. You are using a torque wrench right? You know the torque specs right? Look them up! How did you get this far with out them?
- With a cable in your lever and housing run to the caliper (all new or in good shape and at proper length I’ll assume) turn barrel adjuster in full.
You have prepped your cable housings right? This means (at minimum) you have used a grinder, Dremel tool, file or equivalent to prep the ends of the housings so that they are perfectly flat with no burs or irregularities? If you believe that cable prep is not necessary or important, stop reading now…these instructions will not help you. This step is near and dear to me because many “professional” bike mechanics have tried to explain that this step is not needed, and they do not even have tools necessary to perform it. Why bother with disc brakes if you are not going to deal with interface issues with cable housing ends?
- If your caliper has some miles on it, it might be nice to dab the cable pinch bolt with some wet chain lube, grease, or anti seize.
- Use a 4th hand tool to take up any slack in the cable and tighten the pinch bolt. As in step 9, do not force this. If you see movement in the actuator arm, go back to step 7.
- Grab a handful of lever and check for cable slack. There should be none. If this is a new cable/housing install, give it 4 pulls to seat everything into operational position then go back to step 13. Do not reef on the lever, you should never have to use more than one finger on your dialed BB7s. Your cables should not stretch during the life of your brakes…BB7s do not rely on high cable tension to work properly, overly tensioning the cables (reefing on the levers) can actually damage the calipers. If you feel much sponge in the brakes, you probably did not prep the housings! Properly tuned BB7s will provide enough braking force with one finger to lock up and throw you OTB…If you don’t have this much brake force, you should definitely be reading this!
- Back both pad adjusters out fully.
- Turn inner pad adjuster in about 4 indexed clicks, pull lever 3 times, spin wheel and check for rub. Repeat this step till any rub is heard. Once rub is heard, back it out 1 click at a time till it goes away then 2 or 3 more for clearance.
- Repeat step 16 for the outer pad adjuster. With an ear close to the rotor, you should hear zero rub of rotor to pads.
- Lever throw should suit your style. Too tight? Back out the outer pad adjuster 1 click at a time till feel is reached, not the inner pad.
- Now that both brakes are set and working, see how 1 lever feels nice n stiff and the other feels like a fresh turd (firm but not solid)? No problems! That’s just a good short front cable vs. that long rear cable and all its housing compression. Rectify this and modulation feel 1/2 turn at a time of the speed dial knob on your levers. Start with the front knob turned in to soften up the leverage ratio of said cable to match the rears feel. A 1/2 turn goes a long way so take your time.
- See that little hex head on the back of the actuator arm? That’s a preload adjuster for the spring tension on the caliper. Turn it in to suit additional lever feel.
- I like to trim my cable to about 2" so I can service and re-tune the system several times before replacement is needed. Make damn sure it doesn’t touch or get in the rotor and don’t forget your cable end.
- Take up slack in pad wear by repeating these steps.
- Now go ride and dig your new brake feel!
Wondering if your avid pads are old and dead? Measure with a micrometer, pad material and backing plate should read no less than 3.00mm. I replace them at 25% or 3.25mm just to be safe. A new avid pad is about 4.00mm.
Thanks!
This has be a valuable resource! Makes installation/set up a snap!
trueing rotors?
Is it hopeless to get the rotors back in true?
No, but
It is not hopeless to tru rotors, but often times it is pointless. For what a replacement costs vs. the cost (time and tools), you are usually better off simply ponying up for a new rotor.
I would consider straightening a rotor with a very monor bend. Anything that is going to require very much bending I would simply toss (or recycle into industrial art).
Wheel removal
I picked up some BB7s about a month ago and I love them. However I've noticed every time I've removed my front wheel, I've had to re-align the calipers to the rotor. I think it has everything to do with the wheel, but I'm curious as to whether you've experienced this and if you've found a workaround.
Also, when I did the initial installation, they recommended a 2/3 inboard, 1/3 outboard ratio of placement within the caliper, however my experience has been exactly the opposite - i.e about 1/3 on the inboard (fixed) side and 2/3 on the outboard (moving) side seems to work best.
Thoughts?
Thoughts
Your problem is likely the front wheel engagement (particularly the axle). I would check that the axle is round and fully engaged in the drop outs. If the axle is worn and has a cam shape you will find caliper adjustment is necessary as you describe...other problems could be the cause, but my first guess would be that you are not getting the front wheel fully topped out in the dropouts. I like to set the wheel on the ground and slide the bike down onto the wheel and place a little weight on the bike as I engage the skewer.
In an ideal world, you should not need to re-adjust the caliper as a result of removing and replacing the front wheel.
As far as the ratio of inboard to outboard. I agree with you. Otherwise you are flexing the rotor more to engage the inboard pad and chatter may result. I would point out that results vary, but I try to bring the inboard pad as close to the rotor as possible without rubbing. I do not sweat the ratios that much, I just keep less space on the inboard side.
Why do you adjust the red
Why do you adjust the red dials before tightening the bolts? What does this do?
Because...
Adjusting the red dials will assist in alignment of the caliper. If you tighten the bolts prior to alignment, your brakes may not perform as well as they should.
Ideal clearance either side of caliper?
On my bike I seem to have trouble getting the caliper far enough towards the rotor, the rotor is closer to the outward pad than the inward. It's just about touching the outward pad when fully backed out. Do you think I need to get some material taken off the fork so the caliper can be adjusted to a more centred position? I can't really shim the rotor as there isn't much clearance to the fork stanchion. Any ideas appreciated! cheers, Megan
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Inboard/Outboard spacing
I thought the original 1/3rd-2/3rds was to give room for the rotor to flex towards the inboard pad, otherwise, it might end up scraping the caliper as the inboard pad wears (which shouldn't be a problem if you check the pad setting regularly of course).
In use, the amount the rotor flexes depends on how close the inboard pad is to the rotor and I agree that as close to the rotor as possible without rubbing is best. This usually turns out to be one or two clicks from rubbing on my road BB7s.
road vs mountain
I have road bb7s on one bike and mtn on another. The mountains are set up with compressionless kevlar coated housing while the roads are set up with standard coil over pvc liner. The diference in performance is astounding. In fact on the road bb7s I cannot lock up the front wheel at all. Im wondering if the Mtn model inherently more powerful or if its just an issue of housing compression. Any ideas?
It could be...
It could be an issue with the housing as it certainly sounds like there is a difference there. However, there is a big difference in the actuation between the road and mtn version of the BB7 that corresponds to the mechanical advantage offered by their respective lever designs. That said, not all road levers are designed equally, and not all mtn levers are the same. In fact this year Shimano changed the mechanical advantage of some (if not all) of their road groups, so now not even all Shimano road brake levers are the same!
Long story short, it would be tough to say for sure why you experience a big difference.
4th hand tool
Great post about a tricky job. Can you comment on exactly how to use the 4th hand tool to take the slack of of the cable? What do you brace the tool against to pull the slack through?
Not really necessary
It is a little tricky to do perhaps, but if you feel that you are not getting adequate purchase of the tool on the actuator arm, you are probably getting too aggressive with things. The 4th hand tool usually is not necessary if your cable and housing is prepared properly. Essentially, you just want to make sure all the cable ends are seated against their stops, ferrules, and guides where applicable.
I no longer use the 4th hand tool for most applications. I just pull the cable slack out by hand and check tension in the next step as I describe.
Thanks for the useful
Thanks for the useful article! I'm actually having some difficulty with my Avid BB7s, even after carefully fallowing the manual and reading through your tips. No matter what I do, I can't get rid of the rubbing in my rear brake between my rotor and the outboard pad I've been having this issue from day one, even after cleaning my rotor and pads, moving the the caliper out a little, and backing out the outboard red dial. Do you think I should move the caliper out even more to a 2/3-1/3 ratio? Thanks in advance!
That is a tough one.
If the rotor is straight, the cable is properly tensioned, and the return spring is doing its job adequately, there should not be any rub.
Is the rotor rubbing all the time or only under certain conditions? Perhaps it is rubbing at some point in the revolution indicating a bent/warped rotor. Perhaps it is only rubbing under pedaling load (in which case I would try to tighten the skewer/use a strong steel skewer). Perhaps it only does it on high stress conditions such as cornering hard indicating frame flex (I used to get this on my front due to fork flex). With the exception of frame/fork flex, you should be able to remedy the situation without backing the adjuster out further.
If it is rubbing all the time, take a look at the action of the caliper...is it "sticking" and not returning to a full open position (if so figure out why). If it is a cable sticking, you can fix that. If it is the caliper mechanism sticking, take it in for service or replace it (rebuilding it yourself is possible, but not something I recommend unless you are pretty skilled and have a backup in case you mangle it).
As a last resort back the adjuster out to eliminate rub, but it really should not be necessary if everything is up to spec. If you can back out the adjuster and still have the feel/function you like go for it. I (personally) just like to satisfy my curiosity as a tinkerer so I know WHY things are not working the way I think they ought to.
This is a tough one to fix without being there, but if you take your time (possibly push away from it for a while to clear your head) then start over fresh from scratch, you will likely find the problem.
Avid BB7 issue
Hi, I just picked up a used 2007 cannondale rush 5 with the BB7 disc brakes. I took the bike out and loved the brakes with one exception. While on a short steep downhill section I had the rear brake pulled really hard with three fingers and was still unable to lock the back tire or even prevent building unwanted speed. It was a little concerning. This is my first disc bike so I don't know anything about them and I wondered what I can do. What I can tell you is this, the pads are stock and have plenty of life left, they are adjusted one click short of rubbing. The back tire is not great, a CST cabellaro, plus it is somewhat worn so I guess this could be the issue. Also would organic, semi metallic or some other kind of pad be good for a 230 pound xc rider on a budget? Any light you can shed would be greatly appreciated.
Mike
start with the basics
First of all (and most important) you should not aspire to lock the rear wheel. Skid = bad. Bad for trail, bad for tire, bad for rider (a skidding tire is much harder to control). Perhaps you know all this, but we want to be really careful talking about skidding. In the event that you end up taking this to a LBS for help, you certainly do not want to even mention skidding as a measure of brake performance (and if a LBS thinks skidding on trails is cool, go elsewhere).
That said, I would start with basics and make sure the cable is not bound up. Is the lever arm actuating when you pull the lever (while bike in work stand)? Disconnect the cable and actuate the caliper by hand (does it work smoothly?...pull the front cable also and compare). Is the rotor straight or warped (did you measure run out)? Is the front brake working well (it should be more effective than the rear at limiting descending speed)?
A used bike should typically start its new life only after a thorough inspection/overhaul. Many times bikes will sit in a person's garage unused for a year or two before they decide to pass it on. If you are not pretty handy with bike tools (and own all the necessary tools to overhaul the bike), you will be money ahead to take it to the LBS and pony up for the overhaul.
Brakes not working is a big deal and potentially dangerous...also concerning to me would be the condition of the bearings (hubs, bottom bracket, and headset). These things will cost you dearly if neglected.
Sorry to preach, and I know you are on a budget...but there is a great chance you will save money and be safer in the long run with a professional overhaul. In addition to preaching like a jerk on the web, I am a pretty skilled wrench, but I take my bike to another mechanic once a year because I have found that I am never as meticulous and thorough as I need to be on my own bike.
Regarding the pads...stick with stock if you are on a budget. They will tend to work best in most conditions for most riders (and provide a long duty cycle compared to "upgrades").
Warped rotor
Hi,
I have a bb7 160mm rotor and I know its slightly warped. Is there anyway that I can fix it?. I actually remember that its been always like this since I bought it, the shop installed for me. Perhaps removing and mounting the rotors with a special tool might help?
Thanks for your help
setting up new avid disc brake
Installed rotor and new avid on front fork..but wheel rotor wont fit into pad gap? is there an adjustment on the avids 5 unit or have i not set up right yet? gap too tight...
Not sure
I am not sure I understand your problem. If you have the Avid BB-5, depending on the year of manufacture, the setup is similar. I suggest going back and re-reading everything you see above and pay special attention to number 5, 6, and 7 regarding caliper installation.
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